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Major League Baseball last expanded in 1998. For years, commissioner Rob Manfred has maintained the league would not consider expansion until the Oakland Athletics and Tampa Bay Rays resolved their stadium situations.
In September, the A’s played their final game in Oakland, en route to Sacramento next year and eventually Las Vegas. In July, the Rays and their home city of St. Petersburg, Fla., agreed to build a new ballpark there that would open in 2028.
In the wake of Hurricane Milton, which rendered the Rays’ current home of Tropicana Field unplayable for the 2025 season, city and county officials have focused on the area’s recovery from the hurricane. They also have delayed votes on bond financing for the proposed ballpark, and newly elected officials have raised second thoughts on the project.
Read More: https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2024-11-16/rays-stadium-drama-potential-relocation-could-upend-mlbs-expansion-plans
Stuart Sternberg, the Rays’ owner, shot back Saturday in the Tampa Bay Times. Moving the Rays out of town entirely, he said, “is not an unlikely conclusion.”
If Sternberg follows through on his threat, the cities waiting for an MLB expansion process instead could scramble to lure the Rays.
Montreal previously considered the Rays’ concept of splitting the season between Florida and Canada. Nashville, Charlotte and Raleigh have expressed interest in expansion, and those cities would allow the Rays to remain in the same geographical region.
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I think expansion is a bad idea anyway. It dilutes the talent pool and the fan bases. There’s already too many teams that have low attendance. If MLB thinks cities like Vegas, Nashville, etc are worthy of having a team relocation is a better option. The Rays, White Sox and even the Marlins amongst other teams just don’t get high enough attendance to be viable MLB cities. Move those teams to the new cities before they dilute the fan base by adding more teams that will just lower average attendance even more. Expansion should never take place until every team is close to selling out virtually every game. Expansion would be hurting the long term outlook of existing MLB teams for a short term cash influx. Bad idea.
The city is 50% at fault and Governor Newsom gets the rest. The Athletics wanted to buy the Coliseum. The city said No. Meanwhile, Newsom has turned California into a Third World hellhole. I don’t blame the Athletics for leaving.
They use that phrase expansion because of what they did in Oakland and they lost real fans that still cared about the game when they did that to Oakland.
@@MrSpeedracer510 They use the term “expansion” to specifically mean adding new MLB teams rather than relocating them. If Oakland is still a viable MLB city then they should just relocate a current MLB team in a low attendance city to Oakland (or Nashville or Las Vegas or SLC or Portland or Montreal or wherever). There’s no reason to expand when there are already other teams with such low attendance that they should just be moved to another city anyway. Especially considering expansion requires expansion drafts. No one wants that. Expansion drafts are terrible for the teams and the players. Teams who drafted, signed and developed good players just have those players poached from them in an “expansion draft.” Those players who want to stay with their current team aren’t allowed to and are forced to go to first year expansion teams which are historically terrible. No expansion team is good in its first year and usually not for many years after that. For example: until the Chicago White Sox this year the loss record was held by the first year expansion team New York Mets. The Mets lost 120 games after their expansion draft. No player wants to be forced to go to a team like that. They want to stay with the team they signed with. No team wants to be forced to give away their players to a team like that or any team. No team wants to lose territory and attendance to any team either. Attendance isn’t healthy enough for MLB to expand. They can just avoid all that headache by relocating a team that already has low attendance instead.
@@matthew01234 I know what expansion means what I meant was they were throwing that around like Oakland will be the first one on the list for an expansion team, but we don’t want an expansion team. We want our team which is the Oakland Athletics and will be always the Oakland Athletics. John Fisher never had any intentions of keeping the team in Oakland that’s why he got the team in the first place because that was their pitch to MLB that they wanted to get out of Oakland because it’s not really a place that people want to go or see and yes, our leadership in Oakland have failed us and Alameda district attorney failed us. Our governor of California has failed us, but that’s a whole different story. They shouldn’t have never left because to be honest our fans in Oakland can compete against any other franchise fans, any day of the week.
Rays will end up in Montreal
A’s will end up in Nashville once Vegas falls through
need a salary cap and floor
Looks like Dave Stewart and his investment team will not be getting a new team in Nashville…. I wonder if he is looking at buying an existing team.
Without a *bleep*ing salary cap and team parity, MLB goes nowhere but down. Big fish eat little fish. Maybe six legit teams surrounded by a bunch of farm clubs that constantly get cannibalized for talent…MLB’s pettiness and arrogance towards fans is an accelerant to the flames. MLB can’t properly govern itself, and I’ve been saying since before the A’s fiasco took off that the sport of baseball, if it survives (and I think it will in a different form), is about to encounter nothing short of a tectonic shift to less money, less greed, and more fans in the form of independent baseball…Go Ballers!…
There isn’t the talent for 52 new big leaguers. MLB needs to contract by four teams
MLB needs merger rather than expansion. Cubs & White Sox, Rays & Marlins.
I’ve been saying this fr a long time. There is NO WAY we will see an expansion team in the next 10 years. A move maybe, but not an expansion. The economy is in very bad shape and not even Trump is going to save it. The big banks are all right on the edge, sitting on massive amounts of commercial real estate which will never be filled ever again. The housing market is starting to pullback significantly in Nashville. Only SLC looks in position for expansion. Nobody else. At least nobody in the USA. Maybe Montreal.
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Baseball, from national/Q rating standpoint, should be looking to contract. This is my opinion (with stats to back it up) since before the Arizona, Denver and disastrous Florida (Tampa and Miami) expansion MLB were blackmailed into by Senator Connie Mack. Less teams would also distribute more talent (especially pitching talent… i.e. no more “Bullpen Games”). A better sport and financial product with less teams.
A Blackrock city (Montreal or Mexico City) and someone else. MLB has to play ball with the wants of those bankers…people still don’t know about that. The Chisox could be gone, then you have the Royals and the Diamondbacks, and now the Rays could be on the move along with the unprofittable Marlins with their consistently whiny GMs and team Presidents that always want to somehow raise payroll through thin air.
MLB could see lots of team movement long before 2030 with all these owners getting offended by the cities not having a fun time with all those socialist outcomes being casted upon them by the globalists. Oh well.
Why would they be focused on expansion? You’re going to have 2 teams in 2024 playing in Minor League ballparks and bad attendance in existing markets. They need to focus on that before adding 2 teams in doomed markets like Nashville or Montreal
Let’s not forget that there is a 3rd team that’s under the uncertainty as well (the worst franchise in MLB history record wise a season ago)
Why can’t Tampa Bay suspend operations move team to Montreal and when the Tampa Bay new stadium is built, put the expansion team in Tampa Bay
I think you meant “billion” there when it comes to expansion fees, Brodie.